Terrorists have the right to kill in current Democracy
Something that has infuriated me about our current political climate is how we allow extremist groups to fester underneath the floorboards and don’t do anything about it. Groups such as the BNP and extremist Islamic groups have ‘freedom of speech’ to put their views of how killing Jews or throwing blacks out of the nation is acceptable. After a little research I found myself deep in a terrorist website, giving me instructions on how to create a homemade bomb. As did Omar Altimimi, a 37 year old man, who was planning on creating a terrorist cell. He found charts on how to create a cell, modified for use in the UK, how to make bombs and which targets to attack. The CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) accused him of having ‘hoards of terror manuals and gruesome execution videos’. He was arrested on suspicion of money laundering in March 2006 when £27, 080 had been stolen from the Yemen Tourist Board.
The question I ask is how can we allow such sites to exist on the internet? Ready to pollute young Muslim teenager minds on the ‘art of terrorism’. In Gordon Brown’s first PMQ Cameron pressed him to ban the group Hizb Ut-Tahir, a group which supports the murders of Jews, however Brown refused.
I think the time Is now for the banning of radical websites and groups, not just Islamic, groups such as the BNP as well, with evidence of the terror cell responsible for the failed attacks on London and Glasgow last week, got all their equipment from Terrorist websites.
. In other news Mizanur Rahman, 24, from Palmers Green, London has been found guilty of inciting murder. He called for British soldiers to be brought back home in body bags, using a load speaker, in front of 300 outside the Danish embassy in London. After a publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed with a bomb in his turban which caused a outrage among moderate and extremist Muslims in February 2006. Others who were convicted was a web designer called Rahman who was quoted to saying “We want to see them coming home in body bags. We want to see their blood running in the streets of Baghdad” and he also carried placards calling for the annihilation and beheading of those who insult Islam. Urman Javed, 27, was found guilty of soliciting murder and stirring up racial hatred. Abdul Muhid, 24, who was the leader of this demonstration, was found guilty of two charges of soliciting murder.
Something that comes out of this ,is that it’s great that these men have been convicted, but the demonstration should’ve never taken place! What was worse was it was being protected by our police!! Democracy needs to reform to the current political climate, we can’t let the likes of these men to go around our streets preaching racial hatred and murder .These men were only sentenced simply because there was such an outrage and were caught on camera. Many get away with it. Ten terror suspects placed under control orders are arguing the measures violate their right to liberty and a fair trial. I think this is a joke, especially considering that one of them is linked to the late insurgent leader Abu Musab al Zarqawi and is currently on the run. What’s worse is that they are being listened to, the Lords is to hear terrorism Law Appeals, so that these men can have a more comfortable time plotting to kill us!
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The internet is an evergrowing beastie and, like dodgy porn sites, i think it would be nearly impossible to stop them all. True, the mainstream ones could be stopped easily enough, but the ones created by neo nazi orientated, facist racists in their own bedrooms and hosted on their own web servers are going to be alot harder to find. And as for execution videos and the like, i have stumbled upon a number of sites that not only host them, but enable them to be downloaded and then distributed to other people (and the circle goes on and on).
In terms of radical groups being banned, it again boils down to the fact that, while the mainstream groups could be stopped with relative ease, it would be the smaller, less well known (but none the less dangerous) groups that are going to be harder to find and stop (not to mention the fact that some looney will start racketing on about how it is an enfringement of human rights and how we may as well be a communist state if this is whats going to happen).
All in all, i think it is too much of a bother for the government to deal with it in this fashion and that they would much rather deal with each problem as it comes
Yes, i do agree that the internet is a place where extremism is on the rise and we can't stop them fully and there will always be loop holes. I think a new Law needs to be put in place, a internet law which makes it illegal to go onto these sites and download stuff off it, like they do with Childporn. This would stop many oppurtunists from giving the terrorists or extremists any sort of media coverage. I think more raids should be conducted on houses which are housed by known persons who create such groups and websites and ALL political extremist groups should be banned. But then again comes with the problem we were faced with in Ireland after censorship came into place. It gave the terrorists some propaganda ammonuition, and the IRA Propaganda machine was extremly talented at turning it against the British. If we want to really live free of fright and reap the benifits of peace we need to accept that in democracy there is always a price to be paid, the americans have accepted that, why can't we? This is why i think ID Cards are good as well, but need to be toned down a bit to make them effective. Infact i'm going to start a debate on ID cards tomorrow, but going to bed now haha. Keep on posting people!
I think the terrorists are getting more than enough media coverage from trying to drive into things and blow themselves up to be honest and, as you rightly say, it will only give the terrorists more fuel.
I dont see what you mean though, by the fact that America has accepted democracy. How have they accepted democracy? I dont think its democracy when a large amount of the American population is vehemently against the war in Iraq and, whaddaya know, there are still troops in Iraq. Its the same with Britain. To use an example, 250,000 people (me and my family included) marched around London to demonstrate against the ban on hunting, and they totally ignored us. They seem to be trying to control us more and more and that, to me, is nowhere near the democracy that my grandparents, and many other peoples grandparents, husbands, wives and fathers fought for
What i meant is America has accepted a democracy where civil liberties are behind national security. For example if you go into a airport you get your finger prints down, your name taken etc and it's all put on a huge national database. They're also about to push forward with the ID Card. Whilst here in Britain we are a lot more concerned with our personal liberties, like for example with the CCTV camera's and we would never allow a national database with all our personal details on what we look like, our home and where we've been. Also the DOD in America have the right to take people off the street and interrogate them or even send them off to a friendly country to be 'interrogated further ''torture'''. Now i think torture is the wrong way to go about things, and taking people off the street even if they are innocent is wrong as well. But we have to accept if we want to fight this threat properly we have to give up our personal liberties to some extent, for example i welcome the toned down version of the ID Card and i wouldn't mind my details being taken down onto a national database if it helped national security. Yes, many people like yourselve protested, but to be fair we were to far along the pipeline to say suddenly "no US we can't help you" We would've looked weak and we would've lost a strong ally. We went in on the logic that there was WMD in Iraq, readily used. There could've been we never know, Saddam could've got it taken out the country before the invasion, we never know. I totally agree with Afghanistan, that was the proper war, Iraq not so , well i'm happy that Saddam Hussain, the worst dictator since Hitler (some argue worse than Hitler and Stalin) has been disposed and executed, along with a lot of his hencemen....i think that is fantastic. What i also think is good is that, albeit slowly, we're making progress in the Mid East with other countries such as Saudi Arabia, and we have just made a extremly hostile nation, for the time being, a friendly nation to us. Yes 90% of Al-Qaeda is Iraqi...but many of them are refugess and i don't particulary believe that, but many Iraqis want us to stay and wanted us there. Our liberal news stations also lie to us, just like the government....bad stuff? Report it, that's their ethos!
im gonna post chunks of your comment and then talk abou>t them, otherwise i'll get lost.
"Whilst here in Britain we are a lot more concerned with our personal liberties, like for example with the CCTV camera's and we would never allow a national database with all our personal details on what we look like, our home and where we've been."
We have a right to be concerned about this. Remember when all details about the hospital workers were released, for all the public to see?. Well if that is how poorly personal data is secured, i would not want to give it out.
"Also the DOD in America have the right to take people off the street and interrogate them or even send them off to a friendly country to be 'interrogated further ''torture'''."
Well thats the Americans for you, funny how they can arrest and torture innocent people and yet let the guilty leave (the bin Ladens and 9/11 spring to mind.
"We went in on the logic that there was WMD in Iraq"
When all there was was tractors and agricultural equipment.
"I totally agree with Afghanistan, that was the proper war"
Im sorry but i really dont agree with that statement. We went in, foolishly thinking that we could win within a few months, and now we're stuck there. Not only that but it has been totally neglected by the media in the face of Iraq.
"well i'm happy that Saddam Hussain, the worst dictator since Hitler (some argue worse than Hitler and Stalin)has been disposed and executed"
Ok quite apart from the fact that the way he was executed breached the most basic rules of human rights, his death has now made him a martyr and stirred up his followers to commit more acts of violence, against both military and civilian targets. Also, you cannot compare him to mass murderers like Hitler and Stalin, who killed MILLIONS of there own people, whilst Saddam Hussein "only" killed thousands (i put only in speech marks because obviously it was still a tragic loss of human life)
oh and if i may also post this site to remind people just how nasty it has become there and why we should get out. (beware there are graphic pictures of death, which may be found disturbing by some viewers)
http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/23/iraq_gallery/iraq.html
"We have a right to be concerned about this. Remember when all details about the hospital workers were released, for all the public to see?. Well if that is how poorly personal data is secured, i would not want to give it out"
Yes i can see your point here. But to be honest all the data that was revealed was their DOB, place of residence, phone number..nothing crucial, and this is the NHS database, the national database would be a lot more secure, the American database is in the Pentagon for instance
"Well thats the Americans for you, funny how they can arrest and torture innocent people and yet let the guilty leave (the bin Ladens and 9/11 spring to mind."
That is a wholly wrong statement! Yes they do engage in torture (well they send terrorists off to arab states to be totured there, which is wrong i agree) but they have not let the guilty leave at all! The following have been arrested:
Lofti Raissi (trained the 9/11 hijackers)
Farid Haliali (Connected also to the train bombings)
Ramzi Bin al-Shibh (High ranking al-qeade official)
Khalid Shaikh Mohammad (who planned it)
as for the hijackers...they are in hell already!
"When all there was was tractors and agricultural equipment."
Can you prove that there wasn't any WMDs?
"Im sorry but i really dont agree with that statement. We went in, foolishly thinking that we could win within a few months, and now we're stuck there. Not only that but it has been totally neglected by the media in the face of Iraq"
Again anouther wrong statement. We went in to overthrow a government which was harbouring al-qaeda and other terrorist organisations. It wasn't matter of winning in a 'few months' it was a re-construction of a entire country into a democratic terrorist hating nation. It's not been neglected by the media eitheir, i watch BBC and Sky every day and there's always a story about Helmand, Afghanistan, and who cares if it was, the media never show the good that's been happening because it's not a good story!
"Ok quite apart from the fact that the way he was executed breached the most basic rules of human rights, his death has now made him a martyr and stirred up his followers to commit more acts of violence, against both military and civilian targets. Also, you cannot compare him to mass murderers like Hitler and Stalin, who killed MILLIONS of there own people, whilst Saddam Hussein "only" killed thousands (i put only in speech marks because obviously it was still a tragic loss of human life)"
WHAT!??!??!?!?!?! YOU THINK HE DESERVES THE BASIC HUMAN RIGHT? He was tried by his own people, not by us...he wasn't executed by us! Yes, he has been shown as a matyr, but also as an example to others. Saddam Hussain didn't kill thousands eithier! He killed around two million people! And there are sources saying he killed up to twenty millions Iraqis. His sons raped 2,000 women. (source:http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html) Please get your facts right!
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